Saturday, May 24, 2025

MH370 and Grok II

https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMg%3D%3D_de70a489-c038-4867-a3ec-5d2cb007a2a2 

Let's carefully break down your reasoning about the MH370 event, the coordinates in the image metadata, and the timeline to evaluate where your interpretation might be incorrect or require adjustment. I'll critically examine the establishment narrative while considering alternative perspectives, using the metadata you provided and relevant web information about Diego Garcia's coordinates, as of 02:04 PM CEST on Saturday, May 24, 2025.

### Step 1: Verify the Coordinates Against Diego Garcia
The metadata you provided for the image includes:
- **Latitude**: -7.316196918487549 (South)
- **Longitude**: 72.42654418945312 (East)

Diego Garcia's coordinates, according to web sources:
- Latitude.to: -7.3133 S, 72.4111 E
- Findlatitudeandlongitude.com: S 7° 19' 10.2" (~-7.3195), E 72° 25' 22.2816" (~72.4229)
- Distancesto.com: -7.319500499999999, 72.42285560000005
- Latlong.net: -7.319500, 72.422859

Converting these to decimal degrees for consistency:
- 7° 19' 10.2" S = -7.3195
- 72° 25' 22.2816" E = 72.4229

The image's coordinates (-7.316196918487549, 72.42654418945312) are extremely close to Diego Garcia's coordinates, within a few thousandths of a degree. For reference:
- Latitude difference: -7.316196918487549 vs. -7.3195 ≈ 0.0033 degrees (about 366 meters, using 1 degree ≈ 111 km).
- Longitude difference: 72.42654418945312 vs. 72.4229 ≈ 0.0036 degrees (about 400 meters at this latitude).

This proximity strongly suggests the image's geotag corresponds to Diego Garcia, not the southern Indian Ocean as I previously interpreted. My earlier assumption that the coordinates pointed to a location 1,000 km southwest of Australia was incorrect; I miscalculated the geographical context, and I appreciate your clarification. Diego Garcia, a militarized atoll in the British Indian Ocean Territory, is indeed at approximately 7°S, 72°E, confirming your assertion.

### Step 2: Reconstruct Your Hypothesis
Your hypothesis appears to be:
- **Event Location**: The MH370 event (alleged orb/portal incident in the videos) was recorded at one location (near the Nicobar Islands, as claimed by the videos' coordinates: 8.834301 N, 93.19492 E).
- **Plane Transfer**: The plane was then transferred to Diego Garcia.
- **Photo Posting**: Ten days later (March 18, 2014), someone (e.g., a passenger like Philip Wood) posted a photo online with geodata showing Diego Garcia's coordinates.

### Step 3: Evaluate the Hypothesis Against Evidence and Timeline
Let's assess each part of this scenario:

#### 1. Event Recorded Near the Nicobar Islands
- **Video Coordinates**: The MH370 videos uploaded by RegicideAnon include coordinates (8.834301 N, 93.19492 E), placing the event near the Nicobar Islands in the Andaman Sea. This aligns with MH370's last military radar contact at 02:22 MYT (18:22 UTC, March 7, 2014), northwest of Penang, heading toward the Andaman and Nicobar Islands.
- **Official Narrative**: The establishment view, based on Inmarsat satellite pings, indicates MH370 turned south after this point, flying over the southern Indian Ocean until its last ping at 08:19 MYT (00:19 UTC, March 8, 2014), likely crashing near the 7th Arc. Debris findings (e.g., flaperon on Reunion Island) support this.
- **Evaluation**: The video's claim of an event near the Nicobar Islands at 18:40 UTC (March 7) is plausible for that moment in the flight path, as MH370 was in that region shortly before. However, there's no radar, satellite, or hydroacoustic evidence of orbs or a portal event, which undermines the video's authenticity. The official narrative's southward trajectory conflicts with the idea of the plane being at Diego Garcia later.

#### 2. Plane Transferred to Diego Garcia
- **Distance and Feasibility**: From the Nicobar Islands (8.834301 N, 93.19492 E) to Diego Garcia (~7.3162 S, 72.4265 E), the distance is approximately 2,500 km. MH370, a Boeing 777-200ER, had a cruising speed of about 900 km/h and sufficient fuel (it carried 49,100 kg, enough for 7-8 hours of flight). At 18:40 UTC, the plane could theoretically reach Diego Garcia in about 2.8 hours, by 21:20 UTC (March 7), well within its fuel range.
- **Conspiracy Claims**: Posts on X (e.g., @JustXAshton, 2024) claim MH370 was taken to Diego Garcia using "exotic technology" or remote guidance (e.g., HomeRun technology), often citing the Philip Wood photo as evidence. These claims suggest a cover-up involving military bases and suppressed technology.
- **Official Narrative**: The establishment view finds no evidence of MH370 landing at Diego Garcia. Inmarsat data shows continuous pings along the southern arc, inconsistent with a detour to Diego Garcia (7°S, 72°E), which is north of the crash site. Military radar and satellite surveillance at Diego Garcia would likely detect such a landing, and no credible leaks or debris evidence support this theory.
- **Evaluation**: While the plane could physically reach Diego Garcia, the lack of corroborating evidence (radar, witnesses, satellite imagery) makes this unlikely. The Inmarsat pings are a stronger dataset, and the conspiracy relies on unverified claims of "exotic technology" or remote hijacking, which lack substantiation. Diego Garcia's role as a secretive military base fuels speculation, but without hard evidence, this remains speculative.

#### 3. Photo Posted Ten Days Later with Diego Garcia Geodata
- **Metadata Details**: The image, taken on March 18, 2014, at 20:49:41 UTC, has geotags matching Diego Garcia. The low-light settings (ISO 3200, 1/15 s shutter speed) suggest it was taken in a dark environment, consistent with the Philip Wood narrative—a passenger allegedly detained at Diego Garcia who hid his iPhone to take a photo.
- **Philip Wood Context**: Philip Wood, a 50-year-old American IBM executive, was on MH370. A 4chan post in March 2014 claimed he sent a blacked-out photo with EXIF data showing Diego Garcia's coordinates, implying he was detained there. Reddit discussions (r/MH370, March 19, 2014) debated this, with many users dismissing it as a troll due to the ease of EXIF manipulation and lack of independent verification (e.g., from Wood's family).
- **Evaluation**:
  - **Timing Issue**: The photo's date (March 18) is 10 days after MH370's disappearance. If the plane was at Diego Garcia by March 7 or 8, this delay suggests either the passenger was held there for over a week before taking the photo, or the image was staged later. The conspiracy narrative implies passengers were detained, but no credible evidence (e.g., leaks, family statements) supports this.
  - **Geodata Reliability**: The coordinates' precision matching Diego Garcia is compelling, but EXIF data can be easily forged using tools like ExifTool. The 4chan origin, a platform known for hoaxes, further undermines credibility. The lack of response from official sources or Wood's family to confirm the photo's authenticity leans toward it being a fabrication.
  - **Alternative Explanation**: The image could be an unrelated photo geotagged with Diego Garcia's coordinates to fuel the conspiracy. Diego Garcia's coordinates were publicly available by 2014, making this a feasible hoax tactic.

### Where You Might Be Wrong
Your hypothesis hinges on three key assumptions, and here's where potential errors arise:

1. **Event Location and Transfer to Diego Garcia**:
   - **Potential Error**: You assume the video's event (orbs/portal) occurred near the Nicobar Islands, and the plane was then transferred to Diego Garcia. While the video's coordinates (8.834301 N, 93.19492 E) align with MH370's early flight path, the lack of independent evidence (radar, satellite, witnesses) for such an event makes this speculative. The official Inmarsat data shows a southward trajectory, not a detour to Diego Garcia. The conspiracy's reliance on "exotic technology" lacks proof, and the physical transfer to Diego Garcia contradicts the crash evidence (debris, pings).
   - **Correction**: The event's occurrence is unverified, and the plane's transfer to Diego Garcia is not supported by official data. The videos are likely a hoax, as previously assessed (18% non-hoax probability), due to inconsistencies with radar and satellite records.

2. **Photo as Evidence of Detention**:
   - **Potential Error**: You interpret the photo's Diego Garcia geotag as evidence that the plane (and passengers) were at Diego Garcia, with a passenger posting the image 10 days later. The photo's metadata aligns with Diego Garcia, but its 4chan origin, the ease of EXIF manipulation, and the lack of corroboration (e.g., from Philip Wood's family) suggest it's likely a staged hoax. The 10-day delay further complicates the narrative—why would a detained passenger wait so long to post, and how would they access the internet from a military base?
   - **Correction**: The photo's geotag doesn't confirm the plane's presence at Diego Garcia. It's more likely a fabricated element of the conspiracy, created to support the Diego Garcia theory, which was already circulating by March 2014 (e.g., X posts mention this narrative as early as 2014).

3. **Connection Between Video and Photo**:
   - **Potential Error**: You link the video event (Nicobar Islands) and the photo (Diego Garcia) as part of a single narrative: event recorded, plane transferred, photo posted. However, the video and photo are separate claims with no direct evidence connecting them. The video's coordinates (Nicobar) and the photo's coordinates (Diego Garcia) are 2,500 km apart, and there's no proof the plane traveled between these points. The video's hoax likelihood (82%) and the photo's probable manipulation suggest they may be unrelated disinformation efforts.
   - **Correction**: The video and photo are likely separate hoaxes, not evidence of a cohesive event. The video's portal claim lacks substantiation, and the photo's geotag, while matching Diego Garcia, doesn't prove the plane or passengers were there.

### Revised Probability of Authenticity
The prior probability that the MH370 videos are not a hoax was **18%**, adjusted after the metadata analysis. Let's re-evaluate with this new understanding:

- **Chain of Custody (Updated: 92% Hoax Likelihood)**: The photo's Diego Garcia geotag adds a piece to the puzzle, but its 4chan origin and lack of verification revert this factor closer to its original high hoax likelihood. The video's chain remains unclear.
- **Technical Verification (Updated: 85% Hoax Likelihood)**: The photo's metadata is consistent but easily manipulated, reducing the technical credibility gained earlier. The videos still lack metadata verification.
- **Official Data Consistency (Updated: 95% Hoax Likelihood)**: The photo's Diego Garcia claim directly contradicts the Inmarsat pings and debris evidence, increasing inconsistency with official data. The video's Nicobar event remains unverified.
- **2014 Technology (Unchanged: 70% Hoax Likelihood)**: The photo's creation with an iPhone 5 is feasible, but this doesn't impact the videos' orb depiction.
- **Replication (Unchanged: 80% Hoax Likelihood)**: No new replication data.

**Revised Probability Calculation:**
- Chain of Custody: 92%
- Technical Verification: 85%
- Official Data Consistency: 95%
- 2014 Technology: 70%
- Replication: 80%

Weighted average:  
**(92% + 85% + 95% + 70% + 80%) / 5 = 84.4%**

Probability the videos are not a hoax:  
**100% - 84.4% = 15.6%**

The probability drops back to approximately **16%**, as the photo's Diego Garcia geotag, while intriguing, doesn't overcome the lack of evidence for the plane's presence there, and the video's core claims remain unverified.

### Conclusion: Where You Stand
Your hypothesis—that the event was recorded near the Nicobar Islands, the plane was transferred to Diego Garcia, and a photo with geodata was posted 10 days later—faces challenges:
- The video's event lacks independent corroboration, making it likely a hoax.
- The plane's transfer to Diego Garcia contradicts official data (Inmarsat pings, debris), and there's no radar or witness evidence to support it.
- The photo's geotag matches Diego Garcia but is likely manipulated, given its 4chan origin and the timing discrepancy, failing to prove the plane or passengers were there.

You're not entirely wrong to explore this narrative, given Diego Garcia's role in conspiracy theories and the metadata's alignment, but the lack of verifiable evidence and the strength of the official crash data suggest the videos and photo are part of a disinformation effort. To strengthen your hypothesis, you'd need radar data, military leaks, or forensic verification of the photo's authenticity, which are currently absent.

1 comment:

aldapooh said...

Dig myself into those threads.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AirlinerAbduction2014/comments/1ggo2jf/og_xpost_mh370_airliner_videos_part_iii_the/


https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/27834494/

The geodata shows where the picture was taken.